"LJ909" (lj909)
08/22/2019 at 21:24 • Filed to: Toyota Camry, Toyota Avalon, Toyota Camry TRD, Toyota Avalon TRD, TRD, Toyota
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"LJ909" (lj909)
08/22/2019 at 21:24 • Filed to: Toyota Camry, Toyota Avalon, Toyota Camry TRD, Toyota Avalon TRD, TRD, Toyota | 0
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!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! has, through a leaked dealer order guide, pricing for the Camry TRD, an answer to a question no one asked. Turns out, the Camry TRD will be the cheapest and most sporty way to get that sweet 301 horse V6 in a Camry. Here’s where the not make sense part comes in.
According to the site and the guide, the Camry TRD will undercut the Camry XSE by $4k (The Camry XSE V6 starts at $35,805). And price wise, the article states that with the starting price of the TRD, it can most be closely compared to the Camry SE, which can only be had with an I4. The TRD trim adds: “track-tuned enhancements like bigger brakes and a suspension setup that lowers the car 0.6 inches. The car also gets a unique aerodynamic kit designed by the company’s Calty design studio. A TRD exhaust, matte black wheels, red badging, and painted red brake calipers complete the look”. Yea whatever. What the TRD amounts to is nothing more than a Camry SE with go fast parts and a V6.
It all gets even more senseless when you consider that the Avalon TRD is being priced $4k higher than the Camry XSE. Keep in mind that both TRD models and the Camry XSE V6 all share the same 301 horse V6. The TRD trims add nothing power wise.
Will people bite? It remains to be seen. Toyota gave us 2 “performance” models no one asked for, and then have both of them share the same engine with no power upgrades. All the while, like I mentioned before, not giving us actual performance models, like a Corolla hot hatch or hell even a TRD tuned GT86. Both of these models though should be pretty good used buys in a few years.
Nick Has an Exocet
> LJ909
08/22/2019 at 22:09 |
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I am expecting to see these things everywhere. I bet they can sell this to every chain smoking derpy dad that walks in the door.
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LJ909
> Nick Has an Exocet
08/22/2019 at 22:14 |
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A very specific kind of douchebag dad wants a Tacoma, but the wife said they needed something family friendly.
gettingoldercarguy
> LJ909
08/22/2019 at 22:15 |
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I think nobody will buy this. It reminds me of Pontiac in the 80s. Offering a lot of flash, minimal performance upgrades for monies.
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LJ909
> gettingoldercarguy
08/22/2019 at 22:19 |
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I agree. It’ll be a good use buy like I mentioned. But it will sell so few you’ll have a hell of a time finding one. I haven’ t looked in a TRD catalog but honestly you would probably come out cheaper doing a lot of this stuff yourself.
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gettingoldercarguy
> LJ909
08/22/2019 at 22:36 |
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I had a trd catalog back in the 80s for my supercharged mr2. They had a massive amount of performance items and tips. Now it’s more commercialized, less informative and we ll, more like the trd c amry.
CRider
> LJ909
08/22/2019 at 22:45 |
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That’s what the Sequoia is for!
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CRider
> LJ909
08/22/2019 at 22:48 |
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This car is Maximum Toyota. All vent, no heat.
Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> LJ909
08/22/2019 at 22:50 |
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Seems to be little more than appearance package which makes little sense, when you consider how aggressive the XSE already tries to look.
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LJ909
> gettingoldercarguy
08/22/2019 at 22:58 |
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Most of the good stuff is probably just for the Taco/Tundra.
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LJ909
> Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
08/22/2019 at 23:01 |
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Exactly. Honestly, The SE could have been the XSE and the TRD should have been the XSE. And then have an Avalon XSE.
Shift24
> LJ909
08/22/2019 at 23:04 |
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The face when a “sport” which is 50hp down is just as fast (auto). And the fact that you can row your own if you feel inclined.
Maybe there will be some suspension upgrades on the TRD but it’s not just suspension when “the Accord felt more composed at 125 mph than the Camry did at 90"
The Accord, commuter car for the enthusiast
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LJ909
> Shift24
08/22/2019 at 23:07 |
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The Accord has shown, especially in Sport trim, that its the go to for drivers car for the person that needs family sedan but wants something that’ s engaging. I would’ ve gotten one but my local Honda dealers weren’ t budging on price.
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Shift24
> LJ909
08/22/2019 at 23:40 |
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Yep very true.
And y eah its unfortunate the dealer’s have been following that reputation. Even here in Honda’s midwest back yard they are known as sticklers and hard to work with.
SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
> LJ909
08/22/2019 at 23:54 |
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Blimey...that’s expensive for a Camry . I can get into a V6 Camry SX (second from the top) grade for around US$28,000 drive away. And that's before there's any negotiation!
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LJ909
> SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
08/23/2019 at 00:04 |
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I had to look up what SX was but it looks like its pretty much our XSE . You guys have strangely named trims. Our L or LE is your Ascent. Weird how you guys only get 4 trims to our 10.
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Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> LJ909
08/23/2019 at 00:52 |
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I wonder if the Avalon is long for this world. I see far more ES350s than Avalons on the road.
Bylan - Hoarder of LS400's
> Shift24
08/23/2019 at 00:54 |
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Working for a dealership, ive come to find out theres basically no markup or profit in selling a new car. A $ 50k lexus has maybe $2k in profit for the dealership. All of the profit comes from accessories, warranties, and service visits. It's still considered a winning sale to sell a car for $500 under invoice price. The car market has drastically changed in recent years.
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LJ909
> Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
08/23/2019 at 01:10 |
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Right. And the new gen ES is a looker. They all step on each other's toes though. The Camry and Avalon are so close together it makes you wonder why the Avalon exists. And the ES calls the Avalons existence into question simply by being. By the time you load out an Avalon you might as well head over to Lexus.
wafflesnfalafel
> LJ909
08/23/2019 at 01:10 |
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Um... what am I missing here. Basically an SE with all the stuff I want and nothing I don’t for a significantly better price than the XSE, right?
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LJ909
> wafflesnfalafel
08/23/2019 at 01:12 |
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Right. They are undercutting themselves.
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wafflesnfalafel
> LJ909
08/23/2019 at 01:14 |
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the bean counters must have been sleeping!
MrSnrub
> LJ909
08/23/2019 at 01:38 |
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$4k less for that sweet Toyota V6 isn’t a bad thing though. I just hate that SE/XSE front clip
NojustNo
> Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
08/23/2019 at 02:53 |
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Lots of avalon cabs around because rear l eg room. But yeah fleet sales c ant sustain a car line by themselves.
Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
> LJ909
08/23/2019 at 06:35 |
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I just want to say, it doesnt look bad
Milky
> Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/23/2019 at 09:00 |
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Your teenage Honda years are showing.
dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford
> Shift24
08/23/2019 at 09:33 |
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You just have to go to a bigger city. A friend of mine got a 2.0T that stickered at $31 or 32k for $28k
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dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford
> LJ909
08/23/2019 at 09:35 |
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The wing is excessive but honestly I like it otherwise, if it’s any good to drive that’d be something I’m actually interested in
Ash78, voting early and often
> LJ909
08/23/2019 at 09:46 |
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This seems appropriate here :
Sports Car Community Accuses Camry of Cultural Appropriation
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Shift24
> dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford
08/23/2019 at 15:57 |
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Maybe but Columbus isn’t exactly small. Heck the accord is made 2 0 minutes from us. Along with HAM we also have R&D, and PMC with in 30 minutes.
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SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
> LJ909
08/23/2019 at 19:09 |
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The number of trims reflect the small size and relative simplicity of the market. Four trims is actually a lot for this market...two or three is more common. And many niche Euro cars come in with just one...
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LJ909
> SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
08/23/2019 at 23:18 |
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Wow. Yea that really does reflect the market. I guess in a way it’s better that way. Here you have a trim for any and everyone almost. Like you can get the sporty XSE trim in both I4 and v6.
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SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
> LJ909
08/24/2019 at 07:03 |
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It makes it easier and more profitable for the manufacturer. It’s also worth noting that we are largely a build to order market. Dealers don't hold much stock and head office avoids it as much as possible. No inventory...no deals.